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Raymond Brothers: No Talks With Olympiakos

Monday, June 8th, 2009

According to Chuck Swirsky of ESPN Chicago, Raymond Brothers, the agent representing Ben Gordon, has said that he has not had any discussions with Olympiakos.

Gordon’s agent, Raymond Brothes, said he has had no conversation with anyone, and that the intention is to sign with the Bulls.

Both the Bulls and Gordon’s agent seem confident that a deal will be reached. The two sides have been negotiating for two years, so they know where the other party stands. There might be an understanding in place between Raymond Brothers and the Bulls, that the Bulls will give Gordon a contract he will accept.

That would make for a very short free agency period for Gordon this summer, which should be expected. He is an unrestricted free agent, and things will move fast. He will likely see whether Detroit, Oklahoma City, or Memphis wants to make him an offer he can’t refuse, and if not, he will stay in Chicago, which definitely seems like more of his kind of city than any of the other three.

2008-2009 Chicago Bulls: Ben Gordon

Sunday, October 12th, 2008

Ben Gordon is now entering his 5th season in the NBA and with the Chicago Bulls. Once again, the Bulls failed to reach a long term deal with Gordon, who will return to the Bulls this season on the qualifying offer.

It has been a rumor filled summer surrounding Ben Gordon. At the end of July, Ben Gordon stated that Europe is now an option for him, amidst rumors of Olymiakos offering Luol Deng and Ben Gordon large offers. Later that day, Manos Manouselis admitted to sending overtures to the agents of Gordon and Deng, but said that they never made any contract offer.

It was reported at the end of July, that the Heat, Suns, and Hornets were after Ben Gordon. The Heat were only one of two teams that were persistent in their efforts to coup Gordon. In mid-August, the Bulls rejected a sign and trade based around Shawn Marion. In mid-September, it was reported that a deal involving Gordon, Larry Hughes, and possibly Joakim Noah for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks fell through. A source, strongly biased in favor of the Bulls front office, stated that the Bulls and Heat agreed on the trade scenarios, but the Heat weren’t willing to match Gordon’s salary demands, but of course, this turned out to be false. The Bulls also turned down a trade involving Ben Gordon and Andres Nocioni for Shawn Marion. The Heat will have cap space next summer, and likely will make another run at Gordon. The Knicks also made a play at Gordon, offering Stephon Marbury’s large expiring contract, but the Bulls also turned that offer down.

With the Bulls unwilling to trade Gordon to a conference rival, Gordon had to play the media to try to pry a better offer out of the Bulls. At the beginning of August, Gordon confirmed to Slam Magazine that he has received some contract offers from Europe. A week later, Gordon was telling the Hartford Courant that he didn’t see himself being a Bull this season. On the same day, a rumor broke that stated that the Russian team, Dynamo, was pursuing Gordon. The rumor seems to be credible as Dynamo moved into sign a similar player, Jannero Pargo, to a deal after Gordon wouldn’t commit. Towards the end of August, Gordon said he would like to play for the New York Knicks.

The Bulls played their own hand in the media game. At the beginning of September, a Greek news source reported that CSKA Moscow was offering Gordon a contract. A few days later, CSKA Moscow general manager, Андрею Ватутину (Andrei Vatutinu) stated that this was nothing more than a, “dirty, baseless newspaper rumor”. The original narrative that emerged was that Raymond Brothers, Gordon’s representation made up the deal. This never made a whole lot of sense given that CSKA Moscow was only offering Ben Gordon $5.5 million a year. Gordon’s representation had no incentive to make up a European team offering Gordon such a low, insulting offer. It is more likely that the Bulls front office used a media source to try to smear Gordon, like when they sent their media henchman after Scott Skiles during his contract negotiations.

After Luol Deng signed for a $71 million deal, the Bulls had a little over $58 million before they would hit the luxury tax. Of course, the Bulls in the end, didn’t offer Ben Gordon the full amount they could under the luxury tax, making his decision not to re-sign easy. General manager John Paxson said on the Gordon situation, “I’d like to be sitting up here with Ben shortly,” following the Deng signing press conference, but Paxson’s plans as a general manager were thwarted by the cheapness of Bulls owner, Jerry Reinsdorf.

Reinsdorf refused to give Gordon a substantive offer, despite pleas from Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and Joakim Noah to general manager, John Paxson, to bring Gordon back. Luol Deng told Sun Sports, “I’d love to see him back in Chicago and here with me playing for Great Britain. I’ve never been on a court without him and we know what he’s capable of. The Bulls and GB will be better with him.”

Money wasn’t the only thing keeping Gordon from re-signing long-term with the Bulls. Gordon was also distraught over the guard rotation. Gordon stated on ESPN’s First Take, that the guard logjam was a hurdle in him re-signing. What exactly the Bulls are doing with their guard rotation still remains a mystery for Gordon.

Despite the disappointing summer, Gordon has remained professional, and worked hard all summer long. Ben Gordon made nightly appearances at the Bulls’ practice facility, the Berto Center, to get in an evening workout with his personal assistant.

Gordon will try to recover from a disappointing season. Gordon wasn’t terrible, finishing with averages of 18.6 PPG and 3.0 APG on good scoring efficiency, but he wasn’t great either. Gordon was actually averaging 20.2 PPG on the season when the Bulls made the Ben Wallace trade. After the Bulls made the trade, Jim Boylan severely slashed Gordon’s minutes, leading to his season averages dropping at the end of the season. Despite being Boylan’d, Gordon was by far the Bulls best player last season.

So why was the Bulls’ best player unable to secure a long term deal? Despite being the Bulls best player, Gordon still took a step back from 2006-2007. In 2006-2007, Gordon averaged 21.4 PPG and 3.6 APG with one of the top scoring efficiencies in the league. To build on his already impressive season, Gordon averaged 25.5 PPG and 5.5 APG as he led the Bulls over the Miami Heat in the Bulls’ first playoff series sweep and win since Michael Jordan retired. Gordon was expected to take that big leap forward towards stardom rather than that baby step backwards. Still, it is encouraging that Gordon only took a baby step backwards when the rest of the team took multiple steps backwards.

Gordon looks poised to be the Bulls’ best player again this season and he is expected to play a large role on the team. Vinny Del Negro told 670 the Score, that he would welcome Ben back with open arms, even if he is on the qualifying offer. Vinny said that he really wants Ben on the team, that Ben will be a big part of what the Bulls do, and that he expects Ben to have a big year to show what type of player he is on both sides of the court. It seems that Del Negro wants to use Gordon, who will want to play extraordinarily well to secure a lucrative contract, as a catalyst to get the Bulls back into a winning basketball team. The $59 million…$54 million question is whether Gordon will be playing his ~32 minutes as a starter or off the bench.

There is very little chance that Gordon will disrupt the team’s chemistry this season. What is Gordon going to do to hurt the team, shoot the ball over and over again? That’s what Ben Gordon does, so the Bulls probably get better as he shoots more.

Next to Derrick Rose, Gordon should be really really good. There are some concerns about the size of the backcourt as Gordon will be a “defensive liability”, but the attacks on Gordon’s defense are overstated. Gordon does the small things on defense that you want out of your players, such as closing out on shooters. The one time where Chauncey Billups posted Gordon up in the playoffs sticks out in people’s minds. (Even though, if you look at the box scores, Billups didn’t score more than you would expect from him in that series). The Jason Kidd-Vince Carter scenario sticks out in people’s minds, as so many people watched that game where we blew the #2 seed against the Nets in 2006-2007, although that back court no longer exists in the NBA. Gordon getting abused on defense has never been a regular occurrence, Gordon has been on some of the best defenses of the past 10 years. What was a regular occurrence last season was the Bulls weak interior defense repeatedly being abused.

Offensively, there is not many better shooting guards to put next to Rose than Gordon. Rose needs a great shooter next to him, and pairing him with the 10th best three point shooter would be a logical idea. Kirk Hinrich is not a very good shooter and Larry Hughes and Thabo Sefolosha are horrible shooters, so Ben Gordon should be the starting shooting guard if we are starting Derrick Rose. There is an argument that Hinrich’s shooting percentages aren’t that low. Here’s the deal, Ben Gordon was a more efficient shooter than Hinrich while fielding double teams, while Hinrich took his shots wide open. Gordon’s ceiling next to another player who can draw defensive attention away from Gordon is very high. There is no use playing Kirk Hinrich, Thabo Sefolosha, and Larry Hughes big minutes next to Derrick Rose as they have a 0% chance of ever being the long term solution for shooting guard next to Rose. Gordon, however, could be the long term solution next to Derrick Rose. If you have watched summer league and the early preseason games, it is clear that Rose can set up guys for good looks. The problem is that these guys keep missing those wide open shots. For the sanity of Bulls fans, Del Negro should put the one guy on the Bulls roster who can actually make those shots consistently next to Rose.

Gordon will likely be a very good player throughout the course of an entire game, but will he recapture his clutch heroics from his first two seasons in the league. In his first two seasons in the league, Ben Gordon was one of the most clutch player in the league, and also one of the best players at hitting game winning shots, behind only Carmelo Anthony. These past two years, Gordon has remained one of the league’s top clutch players, but he has had difficulty converting on those game winning shot attempts. If Derrick Rose can draw some defensive attention away from Gordon in the clutch, Gordon will probably return as one of the best player’s in the NBA to have the ball in their hands as the final seconds tick down on the game clock.

Bulls fans should expect a circus around Ben Gordon this season. Every time he has a bad game, the loaded words of “midget” and “defensive liability” will likely find their way into the narrative. If he has an 8 point game after having 9 straight 20 point games, he will still be lambasted. Despite this circus surrounding Gordon and his contract uncertainty, Ben Gordon should have a big season for the Bulls next year.

Bulls Leave Gordon Shortchanged

Saturday, October 4th, 2008

The Chicago Bulls left a bitter taste in Ben Gordon’s mouth after only offering him a $55 million deal, not the $59 million deal that was widely reported throughout the contract negotiations.

“A lot of times, things that are reported to the media aren’t correct,” said Gordon, speaking to Mouthpiece Sports‘ Mitch Robinson. “I’m sitting there looking like, wow, was I offered that?”

The hardest part of the process for Gordon was being misunderstood, and people not understanding how things went down.

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see,” Gordon warned.

Respect, not money was the main roadblock in reaching a contract agreement.

“A lot of my decisions are made off of principle and respect,” said Gordon.

Gordon likely felt disrespected by the Bulls decreasing his offer from last year while substantially increasing Deng’s offer.

In addition to that, after stating all summer long that the luxury tax was the only thing blocking a larger contract offer from the Bulls to Gordon, it turns out the Bulls weren’t even offering Gordon the full amount they could while remaining under the luxury tax.

“It did leave a bit of a bitter taste,” Gordon said, “but at the same time, it’s a business. That’s something you got to understand quickly once you get into the NBA, it’s a business. It’s a cutthroat business.”

Despite all of this, Ben Gordon and his representation have remained professional throughout the process. Gordon’s representation, Raymond Brothers, stated that they are open to negotiations with the Bulls again next summer.

One can only hope that the Bulls learned from their mistakes and don’t repeat the same mistakes next summer, that they made this summer.

John Paxson Press Conference Transcript

Tuesday, September 30th, 2008

John Paxson addressed the media on September 29th, 2008 as part of the Bulls’ media day. He took the time to discuss the Ben Gordon negotiations with the press.

John Paxson:

Well as of right now, we’ve talked to Raymond Brothers again today. We’re still seeing if there is a way to come to some resolution, so, I will be talking to Raymond after I get out of here. It’s going to be one thing or the other. Ben has until Wednesday to sign the qualifying offer, so he has that option, and until then we can talk and try to see if there is any common ground. It’s still is where it’s been all summer, right now. We’ll see.

Like I said the other day, as of right now, we have anticipated that Ben would sign the qualifying offer. And with that said, he is still a very valuable member of our team. My opinion, it’s just always hard when you have a player that you like as much as I like Ben, and we as an organization like Ben. When it comes to negotiating a deal, you have a difference of opinion, is what it’s come down to money wise. But it doesn’t, in my opinion doesn’t lessen his value to us and us trying to win basketball games.

If that is the route he ultimately goes comes Wednesday he will be an unrestricted free agent next year, and a lot of guys in this league become unrestricted free agents at sometime of their career. I don’t want this to be a situation where anyone thinks we don’t value Ben, because we do, and if he’s on our team, we hope he has a great year and helps us win games.

Reporter:

Are you talking about lesser year deals, maybe not 6 but 3?

John Paxson:

I’m not going to go into any details of the conversations. Neither side has made much progress from their end. Ben’s in a tough position because the player is the guy, he would like to get something done. He’s got two sides negotiating. We’ll see where it goes. One way or another, it’s pretty obvious that Ben’s going to be part of our team this year. Like I’ve said the last few days we’ve got to find a way to make that work, both sides. Myself, Vinny, and the players, and Ben himself. We have to find a way to make it work.

Who Planted the Gordon to CSKA Moscow Story?

Sunday, September 7th, 2008

Five days ago, a story circulated out from the Greek media that CSKA Moscow was offering Ben Gordon $5.5 million for his services. Then on Friday, the general manager of CSKA Moscow came out saying that they were not having any negotiations with Ben Gordon.

So this should be the end all be all, Gordon’s agent made up a story about Gordon getting an offer from CSKA Moscow, right? Not quite. I think it is only fair to approach everything we see involving these negotiations with immense sceptism. As pointed by bullzman23 on the RealGM forums, it is quite possible that Jerry Reinsdorf planted this story.

Back in 2003, the Bulls entered into an ugly negotiation with Scott Skiles, that of course ended with Skiles saying he wanted the Bulls to not pick up his option to coach that year. This is not that dissimilar from the Ben Gordon situation, of course Gordon has handled this situation with more professionalism than Skiles did. Skiles of course decided to come back to the Bulls because he loved the players he was coaching. During these ugly negotiations, Skiles charged that the Bulls had media henchmen.

Scott Skiles said on this subject:

“It’s gone on for so long now — ever since February — that I don’t think anything is going to change at this point,” Skiles said. “The thing is, they sent [a media] henchman after me [Monday] morning, and I knew it was coming. [A certain reporter] would write an article accusing me of being greedy.

Source: Chicago Suntimes

It just really doesn’t make sense for the Raymond Brothers to have been the ones to have start this rumor. Yes, stating a rumor that a European team wants Gordon makes a lot of sense, but the amount that CSKA Moscow was rumored to be offering Gordon was less than the Bulls are offering on a yearly basis. (CSKA Moscow was offering the NBA equivalent of a $8.9 million per a year, while the Bulls are rumored to be offering $9.8 million per a year).

Why would the Raymond Brothers start a rumor that Ben Gordon is being offered less to play in Russia than he is by the Bulls? That only hurts Gordon’s value and gives him absolutely no leverage against the Bulls. Raymond Brothers can’t be that dumb, otherwise they wouldn’t have the clients they do today.

This type of story, however, would serve the agenda of Jerry Reindsorf and the Bulls front office quite well. This type of story damages Gordon’s value, even if the Greek story were to not be refuted later. The refutation by the general manager of CSKA Moscow only ensured that Gordon came out looking like a fool.

Why would the general manager of CSKA Moscow want to get involved in this dance between the Bulls front office and Gordon? Well back in February, the Bulls bought out Viktor Khryapa, who had an under the table type of deal to return to CSKA Moscow. Participating in a charade might be CSKA Moscow’s way of returning the favor of allowing them the opportunity to get Khryapa last year.

Raymond Brothers Make Up CSKA Moscow Offer

Friday, September 5th, 2008

The general manager of CSKA Moscow talked with the Russian news agency, Советского спорта, to dismiss the Ben Gordon rumors. In recent days, Greek news sources were reporting that Ben Gordon had recieved an offer from CSKA Moscow worth $5.5 million net.

Here is what CSKA Moscow general manager, Андрею Ватутину (Andrei Vatutinu), had to say about the situation:

Это грязная газетная утка, – сказал Ватутин. – Никаких переговоров с Гордоном мы не ведем. В данный момент почти все работники офиса находятся в отпуске. Я сам нахожусь на каникулах во Франции и ничего о Бене Гордоне не слышал.

This translates to

“This is a dirty, baseless newspaper rumor”, said Ватутин. “In no way have we had negotiations with Gordon. At the present moment almost all our employees are on vacation. I myself am on vacation in France and have not heard anything about Ben Gordon.”

So unless the unlikely scenario of Gordon’s agents negotiating directly with the owners is occurring, this is just another rumor that the Raymond Brothers made up and circulated throughout the press to try to gain leverage against the Bulls.

Basically the story in a nutshell is, Gordon’s agent, Raymond Brothers, fed Nikos Zabaras, a reporter for contra.gr, a made up story about Gordon receiving an offer from CSKA Moscow.

Source: Советского спорта

Bulls Beat #59 - Gordon searching for more than just an offer

Tuesday, August 26th, 2008

The 59th episode of the Bulls Beat podcast, done by Doug Thonus, was released today. In this episode, Thonus talks about some “Inside Info” and the Ben Gordon situation primarily. He also reads some listeners emails and discusses the Olympics.

“Inside Info” is a poster over at the RealGM board. He has posted a number of rumors that came out to be true. These include the Vinny Del Negro signing, JamesOn Curry being cut, Pargo going to Europe, and the Demetris Nichols signing. He has come out with two more rumors.

The first rumor is that Kirk Hinrich is up to 205 pounds and has been getting stronger. Personally, I think this is pointless. I think a shooting guard (which I assume Hinrich is trying to be) is better off at a lighter weight. At a heavier weight, Hinrich will likely lose some quickness. With the new rules, which allow less contact on the perimeter, being heavier doesn’t give the player much of an advantage. Ben Gordon actually, one of the buffer guards in the league, actually has cut down on his weightlifting the past two seasons because he found it wasn’t benefiting him in games, and has instead focused on gaining more quickness.

The second rumor is that the Bulls are shopping Tyrus Thomas. This is actually a pretty old rumor that has been around for awhile. I think people just ignored it, because of their love for Tyrus, or thought these rumors went away, because of some stories of Tyrus working out hard at IMG Academy.

The Bulls probably realize that Tyrus Thomas will not be the player they hoped he would be, when they decided to take him with the second pick in the draft. Omer Asik looks to fill the same role as Tyrus Thomas, so the Bulls front office might want to package Tyrus Thomas with some other guys in a consolidation trade, and then fill the void with Omer Asik. Joakim Noah also could fill the void. This of course, is all just speculation.

Doug also gives some good updates on the Ben Gordon front.

The first piece of news on the Gordon front is that there are no big money deals left in Europe. It was rumored that Dynamo was after Gordon. They probably were after Gordon, seeing as they signed Jannero Pargo, a scoring guard. Dynamo probably found Gordon to not be too interested at the time, and decided on Pargo, instead of waiting out for Gordon, who they thought was an impossibility.

The second piece of news is that Ben Gordon may switch agents. Doug thinks the Raymond Brothers may have let Gordon’s expectations get out of hands. There are two paths that Gordon could end up taking. The first, is signing an agent who tells him to take the Bulls offer because it is his value. The second, is signing an agent who tells him the Raymond Brothers are poor negotiators and that he can get him more. Doug thinks it is the latter, because Gordon could just take the current offer with Raymond Brothers, and doesn’t need a new agent to take that offer.

One thing Doug didn’t cover in that, is that Gordon shakes things up, and perhaps gets a power agent. Ben Gordon getting a new agent, at least to me, is an indication that he is preparing to take the qualifying offer. Gordon wants an agent that will be able to get him a good deal next summer, as his last agent and Raymond Brothers, have so far failed in that regard.

Doug is reporting that Ben Gordon that Ben Gordon is still waiting out to see whether or not there are any sign and trade offers. Doug personally thinks that Gordon will take the Bulls offer if he cannot find any takers in a sign and trade.

You can listen to this podcast at Bullsbeat.com